No, I’m not writing this book, but it went in my notebook as a “Fucking awesome as shit book idea.” I may have been drunk.
Ok, so most people know about the web-bot project. It was started as a way to predict, in the very short term, fluctuations in individual stocks, the Spyders. This is kind of cool. But the web-bot is bigger than that. It browses more or less the whole internet and finds keywords that are repeated in significant numbers. I won’t go into the painfully tedious math involved in that sort of thing.
So, this is the idea for the book:
Setting: Near future, urbanized environment (except for one stretch out in the country)
Characters: Protagonist, a hacker type with a following of pathetic loser hacker types. A bunch of pathetic loser hacker types.
Plot: There is a huge version of the web-bot that the government uses (openly) for limited precognitive uses. Probably to fight terrorism/communism/etc. The hacker guy decides to gather up his following with the purpose of fucking with the government. So they all get together and start posting or blogging or twittering or whatever a ton of pointless stuff with the words “dead president.” Of course, they do it enough to light off the Spyders. Then the president is assassinated. This causes concern. Then they decide to try something else. “Riot in LA.” Then a riot happens. The hackers are hunted by NSA (probably wouldn’t use the NSA) types in a nationwide, public search. They are terrorists, now. They begin to utilize the system to say things like “hacker escapes.” It works. At some point, they realize they have control over human events. They have to decide whether or not to profit from it, which would continue the sociological status quo of the learned few exploiting the masses (possible religion analogs), or if they want to direct human events toward more altruistic goals, which would result in constant poverty.
I’m not sure how it would end. It would be tempting to cliffhang it.
And more interesting (this was not in the notebook, I just thought of it), how would this effect something like determination and causative networking? Ok, so if you had the ability to make these decisions that control the events of humanity, you would have to either say something like, “hacker starts people’s revolution” or “everyone agrees to hacker’s terms.” In which case, the unfolding events would force you into the action you had yourself fomented. I need to develop that idea more.
I think people do that everyday. End up forced by the currents of events to live with their own decisions, but in what case can you say they brought it on themselves and how in control of it were they? Does decision making itself rob you of some power to make decisions?
Circular, I know.

It is a good idea – maybe I’ll steal it…
Are you familiar with J. Doyne Farmer and his ideas about the stock market? He formed a group called the Prediction Company which used predictive maths to maximize profits on speculation. Thing is, quite obviously, if his math is accurate and successful it will become popular. If it becomes popular then the whole market starts to use the techniques. If the techniques are used on this scale, then their predictive powers become meaningless, since they are predicated on examining the stock market as a ‘natural’ phenomenon. It’s a curious loop.
Comment by anaglyph — August 19, 2008 @ 3:39 pm |
Any time you start dealing with things on a predictive level, you end up in a ridiculous loop.
Every Sunday morning, my brother, my dad, and go to a local greaseball diner and drink bad coffee and have an hours long conversation. The subject last Sunday was prophecy. In our old religion, prophecy play a huge part of everything. I think my brother sort of believes in it still, and my dad thinks prophecy is for people too dumb to handle business themselves and read their own Bibles. Both of them find it possible God still speaks to us through people, though they try to be sensible about it. I, obviously, think prophecy is complete bullshit. So we argued for a while.
Now, there is this: a few times, very specific prophesies were given and very specific things happened that were uncannily close to the original prophecy. I’m not saying the prophecies were from God or were precognitive in any way. They are, however, possibly causing the actions.
For instance: the prophecies of Jesus. Were a guy to believe he was someone prophesied, then he would be compelled to fulfill the prophesies involving him. At that point, you have a messiah figure, and he doesn’t even have to try. On the other hand, say you were the Antichrist, you could just NOT fulfill prophesies.
So, I guess the hacker guy in this story would eventually have to decide whether he was a messiah or an antichrist. Interesting.
Comment by Casey — August 19, 2008 @ 3:59 pm |
It would be tempting to cliffhang it.
Or turn it into a series. I can see it as movie. You should develop the idea a bit more and write it.
Comment by Cléa — August 19, 2008 @ 4:01 pm |
I want to. At least now. I’ve spent the day thinking about it. It’s a huge undertaking. And I would have to find hacker types to ask about it.
Comment by Casey — August 19, 2008 @ 4:16 pm |
And, somewhere a hack cyberpunk writer is stealing your idea.
Actually, this post reminded me of one of my favorite Sci-Fi books…The Demolished Man by Alfred Bester. Well, the whole precognition thing reminded me.
But, ultimately, these sorts of stories are difficult to write because they leave so much to explain. But, sci-fi is forgiving of paradoxes. I mean, just look at the Terminator…
Comment by Dexter Colt — August 19, 2008 @ 10:56 pm |
I’m sure you’ll find someone on some forum for your research.
Comment by Cléa — August 20, 2008 @ 12:03 am |